Stakos Illegal in Millennium Series!

[ollytheosteo]

When you look at the standards to which H-PAC have to operate to stay in business, suggesting their fills may be introducing anything into the bottles which might attack the liners is just plain nonsense, and neither 'side' has even suggested that might be the case.

 

[Lovetone]

When you look at the standards to which H-PAC have to operate to stay in business, suggesting their fills may be introducing anything into the bottles which might attack the liners is just plain nonsense, and neither 'side' has even suggested that might be the case.

thats your opinion

as a paying customer of hpac im entitled to mine
there are only so many variables

 

[Dark Stranger]

thats your opinion

as a paying customer of hpac im entitled to mine
there are only so many variables

Speed of fill being one of them

 

[RainbowShooter]

I was thinking about getting a stako, but if they are designed to leak out air out the side i would rarther not have a few thousand PSI shoved under my arm with a bottle like that.

 

[KitsuneAndy]

for me personally, i have faith in MY stako bottle as im sure many many other users do.

That may well be the case, and it may well be a problem with a specific batch of bottles.

However, until HPAC and the event organisers KNOW what the problem is and which batch is impacted (if any) then banning all Stako bottles is the most appropriate way of dealing with it until more information is known.

 

[wongo]

Owning a Stako bottle myself I am interested in the safety aspects however, there is a due process to follow in verification. For example the Stako bottle is CE approved therefore complies with European Union regulation standards and as a result is considered safe and fit for purpose, just like other similar CE bottles.

If a specialist company then proceeds to allege that Stako bottles are not safe then there needs to be testing to confirm compliance with the related CE standard and the in use application. It would be normal practice for a 3rd party to carry out testing to verify the actual performance of the bottles. This would be the point at which the bottles are confirmed un-safe or otherwise.

It is fair for organisations or companies to raise safety issues but hard to justify safety statements without a means to formally to backup such statements.

I would like to find out if there is any fault with Stako bottles but it is hard to see where this is going as it does not seam to be following a due process. To knock Stako at this stage for investigating the claims seams a bit unfair, one could equally knock Millennium or H-pac for not filling Stako bottles on a temporary basis and then engaging in dialogue to confirm if there is actually an issue.

Perhaps better questions would be;
1 – What testing is being carried out to confirm the performance and safety of Stako bottles?
2 – What are the time scales for the any such testing?
3 – Is the testing going to be verified by a 3rd party?

In the meantime I will have to have a think before using my Stako bottle.

 

[Russell Smith]

The PA Viewpoint

I had heard what had happened while I was in Germany but never got a chance to discuss the point in detail with H-pac.
But, as an event organiser I along with all other's in the same position look for guidance from the professionals in this matter and H-pac themselves will have the final say on any products they allow to be filled using their equipment.
H-Pac would not refuse to fill any bottle unless they felt unsure of the safety of the bottle or regulator.
If indeed what was observed is normal with this product and is not a fault perhaps the manufacturer themselves should have made sure people were made aware of the phenomena before it was discovered.
Good call by H-pac/Millennium Series.


Russ

 

[Lump]

and this just in ! some German guy who's stako was refused a fill at millennium grabbed the HPAC rep by the throat bit of a scuffle, player banned

seams as tempers were high

 

[Tom37]

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/snberry/?action=view&current=Video0001.flv

see if my bottle was leaking out of the actual body, i dont think you could pay me enough to hold it in a bucket of water...

it will be intresting to see how the situation's handled however, as their statment (posted by beaker) doesnt say the ban is permanent. i guess it'll depend on who's fault this actually was.

i just find it amazing that 12 bottles were found with the same problem, i assume it was a shop who noticed it, then examined the rest of the batch?

 

[Dark Stranger]

and this just in ! some German guy who's stako was refused a fill at millennium grabbed the HPAC rep by the throat bit of a scuffle, player banned

Someone should have ear marked his sun bed at the crack of dawn by way of retribution!