All hits are obvious hits. Good rule or no?

[Wadidiz]

I can't recall seeing any serious discussion about Millenniums new rule for this season, that all hits are considered to be obvious and should be penalized thereafter.

Is that the way all major leagues should go?

Is is fair?

Does it help deter cheating?

What percentage of back-pack hits are players actually aware of?

Is is the rule practical?

How does it make the game look for spectators?

Are MS refs being consistent or has it already gone back to the old rules?

Does this mean refs would have to do more running around pulling penalties if they were 100% consistent?

Would such a rule improve NXL (the best reffing so far) or not?

Would a more competent reffing corps solve the problem without such a rule?
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I alway felt that referees should judge whether or not a player is aware of a hit or not and act accordingly. I also felt that players should never be penalized for some rule they haven't intentionally violated.

When Ulrich declared last year that all hopper hits would be considered obvious hits I was sceptical. As the season went on we saw behavior change and suddenly players were checking their hoppers and walking off the field.

I then began to favor the new rule.

Now, after seeing that many refs did not always pull penalties for playing on in Paris, I'm having my doubts about the rule again.

Would appreciate some pros and cons.

 

[diggie'sback]

i think

many pack hits do not get felt by the player we all know this i think the reffing in most tourneys throws up debate as always you get good reffs and bad one's the more tourney paintball i see the less active and involved reffs are becoming this is not a dig at all reffs as above you do get good reffs i feel the reffs have a job to do and the biggest job for them is to be on top of everything within reason

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Rules are not there - primarily - to penalize.... they are there to ensure the game is played fairly.

So, whether you feel a hit in the harness or not is irrelevant - you have been playing after you should have been eliminated - and as such should incurr a penalty.

One thing I AM taking issue with in the rules - is the refs not being able to call a player neutral.

As it stands, when you cannot call a player neutral - which by default means you are no longer allowed to touch him, because you may inadvertently expose him to the opposition so that he gets hit.

What this means is that - for instance - a player sliding into a snake (where you most often get hit on the side facing the snake), can just tuck up against the snake, and the hits he has will not be seen by the ref.

I firmly believe there ARE situations, where a ref should have the ability of calling a player neutral - if nothing else to make the game fair!

Nick

 

[Exile]

Is that the way all major leagues should go?

Yes, and all the minor ones too.

Is is fair?

Nothing in life is fair - but this rule certainly goes some way to redressing the balance

Does it help deter cheating?

I think so.

What percentage of back-pack hits are players actually aware of?

Way more than people would admit to imho maybe 75% if you need a figure?

Is is the rule practical?

Certainly seems to be working as far as I have witnessed

How does it make the game look for spectators?

Who cares? Get the rules right, then worry about the 20 people watching (of which half are connected to the teams playing anyway)

Are MS refs being consistent or has it already gone back to the old rules?

AFAIK the Mill. Refs are still being (reasonably) consistent in applying this rule, but I daresay someone will correct me on this issue

Does this mean refs would have to do more running around pulling penalties if they were 100% consistent?

I think not, as players seem to have "wised up" to pack hits quite quickly

Would such a rule improve NXL (the best reffing so far) or not?

Don't they already use this rule? I was under the impression that they implemented something like this a year or two back?

Would a more competent reffing corps solve the
problem without such a rule?

That's the holy grail innit?

 

[Freddie Brockdorff]

I´ll have to agree with my "dad" D ) on this!

It sucks when you are the one being pulled for this - but it seems nothing but fair to me, that a player who´s been in the game with a hit gets penalised - intentionally or not doesn´t really matter, the player has had an unfair impact on the game since he/she has been playing on after being hit!

This is not about wether you intended to cheat or not - it´s about the fact that your team has had an unfair advantage! Who knows how many opponents the player in question has shot out, and who knows how many guns he has been able to "pull" - giving his team mates a way better chance of moving up on the opponent?! WE NEVER KNOW - that´s the whole point, it was unfair that this player stayed in the game for so long, therefor they should be penalised!

End of story!

 

[Robeenio]

the only hits i dont feel are ones on the bang front of my hopper which dont spray on my goggs!

every thing else you feel! or hear or register

people just deny it!!


i think that marshalls should be able to physically touch a player and check their frikkin underpants if they need to! nuff times ive shot a player only to have a marshall not even go in close and look on the side the player is hiding right next to the bunker

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

i think that marshalls should be able to physically touch a player and check their frikkin underpants if they need to! nuff times ive shot a player only to have a marshall not even go in close and look on the side the player is hiding right next to the bunker

I agreee - hence the neutral call, so you don't get him shot while checking his underwear - as it were

That kinda reminds me - we may be reffing the next NES event, where the Charms are playing - who wants to pay to ref with us ?

Nick

 

[Robeenio]

I agreee - hence the neutral call, so you don't get him shot while checking his underwear - as it were

That kinda reminds me - we may be reffing the next NES event, where the Charms are playing - who wants to pay to ref with us ?

Nick

ha ha ha! dont you dare start an auction on classifieds!

 

[Freddie Brockdorff]

WTF ??!

I don´t see any auctions upon reffing when I´m playing - maybe it´s due to my temper - reffs might get hurt!

 

[PEBBLE]

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I think the judge should decide or him/herself to whether or not to pull the player for a loader/backpack hit,

You can tell by a players body language that they have been hit if they flinch and carryon 1 4 one his/her ass if he/she doesnt flinch then dont be so mean and just pull them out