Millennium Series Division 1 Captains

[HERMITT]

Just strange to have a worldwide federation and then having different names for the formats played.

One name, one format worldwide should surely be the most important issue when looking at the marketability of the sport.

But i think we may be strolling off the track a little

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by jotajotaZ
What's your take on this, Sam? I recall talking with you about this in Madrid and you were less than thrilled with the idea. Do you still think it will be a nightmare?

Jorge, when we talked about it in Madrid I became more receptive than before to the idea because I saw player behavior change significantly during last season after we started making all gun hits obvious. I generally agree with moving the benefit of the doubt away from the shootee and over to the shooter. I then discussed this with Laurent who agreed with the idea. After that I discussed the idea of making all hits obvious with some other people and a good argument against it is the very real possibility of backpack hits destroying games before the eyes of bewildered spectators. What I do like about the concept, besides the simplicity of it, is the fact that players are probably aware of such hits more often than not.

 

[jahlad]

the thing that was perplexing me a little with all this....as yes it doent affect me really but surely it will affect some teams at some point

if im reading this all correctly a team starts playing millenium tournies...its 7man....if they do well the move up the divisions....and maybe if they do well they will move into the pro div......where they will be playing a completely different format....wheres the continuity in that?
its almost like saying yeah you can play rugby union....but before we let you you have to get good at rugby league. similar game but played in a different style.

or am i picking to much?

 

[Steve Hancock]

The above example would cause a problem for the one or two teams getting promoted, but what about when the format is gradually adopted for lower divisions. What if in 2007 the top two divs play M7. Then you have a whole div who will be lacking in experience in the format they are playing! I really think having 5 man for the lower divs would be the best way. Use exactly the same rules for single point games as for multi-point matches as well. That way there would be no confusion over the rules.

 

[Steve Hancock]

And I still don't think the risk of subsiquent divisions following suit is a justification for not letting Div 1 play M7 if that is what a majority of Div 1 teams want. And as Div 1 and 2 aren't locked (correct me if that is wrong) surely those in Div 2 who want to play M7 could move up, and those in Div 1 who don't could move down.

 

[Fat-Frank]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
And I still don't think the risk of subsiquent divisions following suit is a justification for not letting Div 1 play M7 if that is what a majority of Div 1 teams want. And as Div 1 and 2 aren't locked (correct me if that is wrong) surely those in Div 2 who want to play M7 could move up, and those in Div 1 who don't could move down.

I do believe div.1 will be locked after this season. With how many teams i don`t remember.

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
After that I discussed the idea of making all hits obvious with some other people and a good argument against it is the very real possibility of backpack hits destroying games before the eyes of bewildered spectators.

That's not a very real possibility unless your refs suck. Refs should see most pack hits when they happen. If you see it, you should get i there and pull the player, no penalty. If you miss it and you find it later, it's only fair to the other team that they get the advantage of playing up a guy to balence the other team getting the advantage of playing up a guy, even if they didn't mean to.

Paintball people have this weird tendency to view penalties in the context of intent. Penalties have nothing to do with intent, they have to do with the infraction. Either the infraction happened or it didn't. Playing when you're dead when you know about it has exactly the same effect on the game as playing when you're dead when you don't know about it and there's no reason to try and differentiate between the two.

 

[Sherman]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
What if in 2007 the top two divs play M7. Then you have a whole div who will be lacking in experience in the format they are playing!

For crying out loud, it's still paintball If you're better at shooting ppl out than the other team you will win. The format is just fine tuning. And if you mention Russian Legion, I'll throw in Dynasty and XSV who both excel in 7-man and X-ball.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Originally posted by Sherman
The format is just fine tuning.

The devil is in the details.

Would you say there isn't a period of transition and settling in when a Rugby Union player goes over to League? Yes they can convert, and many do successfully, but it is not effortless and seemless and some don't make the switch well at all.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Paintball people have this weird tendency to view penalties in the context of intent. Penalties have nothing to do with intent, they have to do with the infraction. Either the infraction happened or it didn't. Playing when you're dead when you know about it has exactly the same effect on the game as playing when you're dead when you don't know about it and there's no reason to try and differentiate between the two

I completely agree with this statement!!

Penalties are not there to punish people - they are there to make the game fair..... at least that SHOULD be the purpose of them.

Maybe people - especially refs - should have this purpose at the forefront of their minds always - so that they were less emotional about infractions

The best refs - to my mind - are the dispassionate ones.

Nick