MS Players Committee

[SiXplicit]

Just been doing a bit of Tuesday night reading on these here forums and stumbled across a thread started by Superfly regarding the MS Players Committee. Actually, this is about the 4th or 5th time I've stumbled across it and to be honest, it's lacking the interest I would've expected. I thought something like this would have peoples tongues wagging and that it would be a 3 or 4 page thread by now!!! Are people generally not interested in a Players Commitee? As Nick has stated in aforementioned thread (Read it here) it is more a way for players to voice their opinions/concerns rather than have an actual say in what happens, but isn't this a start? I for one feel that it is a great thing that the MS Committee wants the players input. Fair enough, the Players Committee will not have a hand in the votes as to what happens in the future of the MS, but surely having the voices of the players represented could influence certain decisions within the MS.

It has been stated that all captains will be asked to vote at the Maxs Masters as to who they think should be part of the committee (or something like that anyway). I'd love to put Mr Duck himself (Nick) forward but he has already stated why he does not wish to be a part of it at the moment (I totally understand why Nick!).

So I guess my questions are:

1) Why the lack of interest in this subject, or have I missed something? What are people's views?

and 2) Who do you think would play a valuable part in the Players Committee & why?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go. I'm not. I just want to make sure that when I put my vote in @ Maxs, I have the right reasons & the right person for the job.

Cheers all,

Si

P.s. Maybe a poll could be made out of this somehow?

 

[Sherman]

I vote for www.p8ntballer-forums.com to the players committee. It's all here..

 

[Buddha 3]

I guess it's a combination of things.
First there is the well known paintballers' apathy towards actually doing something (obviously those who are the exception to this rule should not feel offended), then there is the fresh memory of the way the MS took a great, big, steaming dump all over the EPA.

I think people feel that it might just be a token effort by the MS...

 

[SiXplicit]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
I think people feel that it might just be a token effort by the MS...

Hmmm......maybe you're right. But is holding a grudge a reason in the long term scheme of things. Give it a year or so & the MS will see a couple of changes here or there. People sometimes don't like change so therefore will give said people an opportunity to bitch/diasagree/voice their opinions etc etc. To all of which, the MS committe will turn round and say "you had your chance to give your input via a specially created committee, you didn't give a toss then, so lump it now!".

I think the committee is a good idea. Fair enough, it may or may not be a "token effort", but for whatever reason this committee has been setup, it is a way for players to get their voices heard. It's the players that make the sport, and I think the MS know that.

 

[Baca Loco]

Whatever the MS intends with the Players committee is, in some respects, irrelevant. Putting on my cynic's hat--wait, I never took it off--I might guess the MS are adding a Players committee to undercut a perceived "value" of the NPPL should they attempt to land in Euroland next season. But even if the MS has no real interest in the committee's views it doesn't mean the committee has to be irrelevant. It depends on two things: whether the MS seeks to silence the committee's communications with the general playership of the MS and whether or not the players support the committee.
If the committee members are free to talk to the players in venues like these forums about the issues they are concerned about and things under discussion then the committee, whoever is on it, has the potential to exercise real power. And that power would come from the players. If the views and opinions and wishes of the Players Committee was understood to be backed by a large percentage of the active MS players it would be listened to--if it wasn't, it won't be.
In effect, the MS is offering y'all your EPA under a different name if you're prepared to make something of it.

 

[Steve Morris]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
If the committee members are free to talk to the players in venues like these forums about the issues they are concerned about and things under discussion then the committee, whoever is on it, has the potential to exercise real power. And that power would come from the players.

I really agree. When I had more of a position of responsibility I felt it was a good thing to get involved in debates and discussions here because, more than anything else, I learned a lot (when I wasn't fighting with Robbo). There were obviously different opinions about bringing things into the open as I heard from a few people that "it doesn't look professional" to discuss such matters on a public forum and it's true that sometimes I mentioned things that perhaps should have been left behind closed doors. I don't think the league and its rules should be decided by a public forum or by votes because the players'/teams' are just one set of voices that need to be considered among several others (like the league, promoters, sponsors and refs). I also believed that it sometimes helped to bring another perspective into some of the discussions, especially when certained things that were reported were misperceived (according to me).

I'm glad for MS that Scutty is answering and clarifying things here.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Barbie@AFGM
Hmmm......maybe you're right. But is holding a grudge a reason in the long term scheme of things. Give it a year or so & the MS will see a couple of changes here or there. People sometimes don't like change so therefore will give said people an opportunity to bitch/diasagree/voice their opinions etc etc. To all of which, the MS committe will turn round and say "you had your chance to give your input via a specially created committee, you didn't give a toss then, so lump it now!".

I think the committee is a good idea. Fair enough, it may or may not be a "token effort", but for whatever reason this committee has been setup, it is a way for players to get their voices heard. It's the players that make the sport, and I think the MS know that.

Cynical ******* I am, but I never intended the explanation I gave above to be an excuse, just a reason.
I do feel, like most others, that it is a step in the right direction, but I do maintain a healthy dose of scepticism.
And I agree with Steve that having Scutty play an active role both here and in the MS is a good thing indeed.

 

[SiXplicit]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
Cynical ******* I am, but I never intended the explanation I gave above to be an excuse, just a reason.
I do feel, like most others, that it is a step in the right direction, but I do maintain a healthy dose of scepticism.
And I agree with Steve that having Scutty play an active role both here and in the MS is a good thing indeed.

Jay, I never saw your response as an excuse. I can see where you are coming from. I'm just saying whatever peoples feelings about the MS & EPA, they should be left in the past. The MS Committee are giving the players the opportunity to have a hand, albeit a small one, in the future of the series. I for one think we as players owe it to ourselves & the sport to grab this opportunity & take positive steps towards forming this Players Committee. What I don't understand is the lack of enthusiasm. By all means, be sceptical. It's your perogative. I myself am a little sceptical, but that's not going to stop me having my thoughts on the MS. This Players Committee will turn those thoughts into a voice, & the more voices the bigger the impact the players can/will have on the future of the series.

Originally posted by Steve Morris
There were obviously different opinions about bringing things into the open as I heard from a few people that "it doesn't look professional" to discuss such matters on a public forum and it's true that sometimes I mentioned things that perhaps should have been left behind closed doors. I don't think the league and its rules should be decided by a public forum or by votes because the players'/teams' are just one set of voices that need to be considered among several others (like the league, promoters, sponsors and refs). I also believed that it sometimes helped to bring another perspective into some of the discussions, especially when certained things that were reported were misperceived (according to me).

Boards like these are going to be your biggest audience, a place for you to get & feel the response from those that matter, the players. Whether proffessional or not, you're going in right at the heart of things, taking it to those it affects & matters to. I agree with you, Steve, when you say the league & it's rules shouldn't be decided by a public forum, but it's one of the best places where you can get good, honest feedback. I think it's a shame you're not as involved anymore. I know nothing about why you aren't as involved, whether it was a personal decision or other, and I'm not going to ask, but you did a good job, & more than anything, you put the players first. I'm sure Andy will do the same as he's right at the heart of the players too. I'm sure he'll do a top job.

Scutty, don't let us down!

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Barbie@AFGM
Jay, I never saw your response as an excuse. I can see where you are coming from. I'm just saying whatever peoples feelings about the MS & EPA, they should be left in the past. The MS Committee are giving the players the opportunity to have a hand, albeit a small one, in the future of the series. I for one think we as players owe it to ourselves & the sport to grab this opportunity & take positive steps towards forming this Players Committee. What I don't understand is the lack of enthusiasm. By all means, be sceptical. It's your perogative. I myself am a little sceptical, but that's not going to stop me having my thoughts on the MS. This Players Committee will turn those thoughts into a voice, & the more voices the bigger the impact the players can/will have on the future of the series.

Agree totally.