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ollytheosteo
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Ok, whilst not ordinarily one to stir the pot
, those of you that spend time on PBN might have heard about this;
"Well guys, we did our best at the Tampa NPPL tournament, but apparently winning is not enough to get you into the next rounds. Here is the situation, Nurv vs. Naughty by Nature in a best 2 out of 3 series, winner advances. First game, Naughty by Nature wins. Next game, Nurv wins, tied at 1 and 1. Next game, Nurv wins, signs score card, series over. However, Naughty by Nature argues the fact that one of their players got pulled and wasn't actually hit. Well, that's too bad, bad calls happen all the time in the NPPL, as a matter of fact in that exact same game I got pulled when I wasn't hit and anyone that knows me knows I DO NOT argue calls or make excuses. So, they get the ultimate ref over, and he finally decides that because someone from the sidelines told a ref to pull a player that was pulled and wasn't hit that it qualifies as an "extreme circumstance" and the game should be replayed. We argued that's it's not our fault the ref made a bad call and irregardless we still would've won. We are all like, WTF!?!? This has never happened, even Ollie Lang himself couldn't get a game to be replayed if his team lost. The ultimate then tells us to gear up because we're playing again and we have 4 minutes or else we are disqualified. We were all about figuring out what team we're playing next and they tell us this so we have to rush and get paint and do all that. Then we play and we end up losing (most everyone was extremely mind F'ed) after the whole ordeal). So, then Naughty by Nature advances.
Bottomline: This is a extremely political sport and if you have money and are tight with the right people then the floodgates of heaven will be opened for you and even the most obscene favor will be granted to you. The one who made it all happen for Naughty by Nature was one of the kid's dads who apparently owns SC village and probably dumps a lot of money into the NPPL.
This sets a terrible precedent for the NPPL because they are basically saying that any call that wasn't right gives you the right to replay an entire game. Even had that player not gotten pulled we still won w/ 2 bodies live and had all the spots, he would've gotten mowed anyways so the whole thing is just ridiculous. I nor the Naughty Dogs have ever heard of a game replayed and the dogs have been around practically since the inception of paintball.
I doubt we will be showing up to any more NPPL tournaments, but who knows. What a waste of money to go win only to find out that you weren't supposed to win so the NPPL has got to fix the game until the "right" team wins. Absolutely ridiculous."
And the NPPL's response?
From the NPPL To NURV:
It is unfortunate that we had an incident with Nurv during the Tampa event. As you are both are aware the sport of paintball is somewhat subjective. Rules always need to be interpreted and enforced. I, as President of the league, have separated myself from any on field decisions in an effort to be as unbiased as possible. I employ an Ultimate Ref and he is the final say on all calls and rule interpretations. Dave Zinkham has been the NPPL Ultimate and/or rules Scrutineer for the past 5 years. He is absolutely the best man for the job and I support his decisions 100%.
Whenever Dave has to become involved in a decision there is always one team that is unhappy. That is the nature of his position. It is understandable that your team would have been upset when a call didn’t go as you would have hoped and a certain amount of latitude is tolerated. But, the way your team, and specifically Fernando, treated my staff was absolutely unacceptable. I will not tolerate the abusive nature in which Fernando carried himself. It is a bad representation of our sport and something I will not and can not allow in the NPPL.
It has also been brought to my attention that Fernando has tried to “stir the pot” on the internet and is posting things that are harmful to the league and my staff.
Because of Fernando’s actions during the event, our need to have Police escort him off premise, and his views online that make it clear he does not want any part of the NPPL, I have decided that Nurv and every player on the roster from Tampa will not be allowed to attend NPPL Event #3 in Boston and be suspended from the NPPL indefinitely. This suspension can be appealed after Boston assuming the appeal includes a written apology to the NPPL and a signed behavior contract.
If you choose not to appeal, I wish your team success in whatever future paintball endeavors you may encounter.
Regards,
Shawn Walker
President
National Professional Paintball League
Xtreme Paintball Sports League
Any thoughts? And what the hell is a 'behaviour contract'? A signed contract that says 'We won't squeal if we get butt****ed'?
There's lots more in the thread, here;
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2176387
I don't really want to get on the NPPL = Satan bandwagon but has anyone ever heard of a game being replayed because a spectator saw a bad marshalling call? At a national level? And then banning the team for getting pissy about it? If he'd smacked someone I could understand, but it sounds to me like he was escorted off because he wouldn't stop shouting and asking for an explanation and I think a few of us might act like that in the same situation.
, those of you that spend time on PBN might have heard about this;"Well guys, we did our best at the Tampa NPPL tournament, but apparently winning is not enough to get you into the next rounds. Here is the situation, Nurv vs. Naughty by Nature in a best 2 out of 3 series, winner advances. First game, Naughty by Nature wins. Next game, Nurv wins, tied at 1 and 1. Next game, Nurv wins, signs score card, series over. However, Naughty by Nature argues the fact that one of their players got pulled and wasn't actually hit. Well, that's too bad, bad calls happen all the time in the NPPL, as a matter of fact in that exact same game I got pulled when I wasn't hit and anyone that knows me knows I DO NOT argue calls or make excuses. So, they get the ultimate ref over, and he finally decides that because someone from the sidelines told a ref to pull a player that was pulled and wasn't hit that it qualifies as an "extreme circumstance" and the game should be replayed. We argued that's it's not our fault the ref made a bad call and irregardless we still would've won. We are all like, WTF!?!? This has never happened, even Ollie Lang himself couldn't get a game to be replayed if his team lost. The ultimate then tells us to gear up because we're playing again and we have 4 minutes or else we are disqualified. We were all about figuring out what team we're playing next and they tell us this so we have to rush and get paint and do all that. Then we play and we end up losing (most everyone was extremely mind F'ed) after the whole ordeal). So, then Naughty by Nature advances.
Bottomline: This is a extremely political sport and if you have money and are tight with the right people then the floodgates of heaven will be opened for you and even the most obscene favor will be granted to you. The one who made it all happen for Naughty by Nature was one of the kid's dads who apparently owns SC village and probably dumps a lot of money into the NPPL.
This sets a terrible precedent for the NPPL because they are basically saying that any call that wasn't right gives you the right to replay an entire game. Even had that player not gotten pulled we still won w/ 2 bodies live and had all the spots, he would've gotten mowed anyways so the whole thing is just ridiculous. I nor the Naughty Dogs have ever heard of a game replayed and the dogs have been around practically since the inception of paintball.
I doubt we will be showing up to any more NPPL tournaments, but who knows. What a waste of money to go win only to find out that you weren't supposed to win so the NPPL has got to fix the game until the "right" team wins. Absolutely ridiculous."
And the NPPL's response?
From the NPPL To NURV:
It is unfortunate that we had an incident with Nurv during the Tampa event. As you are both are aware the sport of paintball is somewhat subjective. Rules always need to be interpreted and enforced. I, as President of the league, have separated myself from any on field decisions in an effort to be as unbiased as possible. I employ an Ultimate Ref and he is the final say on all calls and rule interpretations. Dave Zinkham has been the NPPL Ultimate and/or rules Scrutineer for the past 5 years. He is absolutely the best man for the job and I support his decisions 100%.
Whenever Dave has to become involved in a decision there is always one team that is unhappy. That is the nature of his position. It is understandable that your team would have been upset when a call didn’t go as you would have hoped and a certain amount of latitude is tolerated. But, the way your team, and specifically Fernando, treated my staff was absolutely unacceptable. I will not tolerate the abusive nature in which Fernando carried himself. It is a bad representation of our sport and something I will not and can not allow in the NPPL.
It has also been brought to my attention that Fernando has tried to “stir the pot” on the internet and is posting things that are harmful to the league and my staff.
Because of Fernando’s actions during the event, our need to have Police escort him off premise, and his views online that make it clear he does not want any part of the NPPL, I have decided that Nurv and every player on the roster from Tampa will not be allowed to attend NPPL Event #3 in Boston and be suspended from the NPPL indefinitely. This suspension can be appealed after Boston assuming the appeal includes a written apology to the NPPL and a signed behavior contract.
If you choose not to appeal, I wish your team success in whatever future paintball endeavors you may encounter.
Regards,
Shawn Walker
President
National Professional Paintball League
Xtreme Paintball Sports League
Any thoughts? And what the hell is a 'behaviour contract'? A signed contract that says 'We won't squeal if we get butt****ed'?
There's lots more in the thread, here;
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2176387
I don't really want to get on the NPPL = Satan bandwagon but has anyone ever heard of a game being replayed because a spectator saw a bad marshalling call? At a national level? And then banning the team for getting pissy about it? If he'd smacked someone I could understand, but it sounds to me like he was escorted off because he wouldn't stop shouting and asking for an explanation and I think a few of us might act like that in the same situation.
