Stakos Illegal in Millennium Series!
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ignore **** for brains here its obvious the big blue bus didnt take him to the center this mornin
there is no anti STAKO bandwagon as such. H-pac are the ones who made the call on the grounds of safety, and they are under no threat from STAKO.
A few dodgy bottles is enough to make me glad i did not buy one in France.
Truth be told, i love the idea of a superlight bottle, however to achieve this something somewhere has to be cut away. I don't love the idea of carrying 4500psi beside me for most of a training day when there is even the slightest possiblilty it can go pop.
Well scince he is now on my ignore list lets try to continue this.
Looking at what people have said
Stako say that this is part of how the bottles work, if so why was it never noticed before?
It has happened before, but it never came to light and those people who contacted Stako was (as far as i see) Ignored! Not even confirmed that this is meant to happen.
It obviously isn't just this batch.
I dont see how people can justify loosing a few pounds of weight over the safety of the players. Stakos as far as im aware never passed DOT tested and STILL are illegal in the US, why is this?
Obviously they have higher or different testing proceedures, but if its not legal in the US, why is it in the EU?
I would encourage every1 with a Stako thats having problems (no matter how small) with their tanks to contact stako at the moment. Hell, I would (if someone could be re-embursed and it could be set up) for someone with the problems mentioned recently to get the tank sent off to the offical testing center of PI to have the bottle tested, and depending on the result it could show something seriously wrong with Stako bottles.
Now yes it could be true, that the way in which the plastic adheres to the bottle when filled is how it is ment to be, but just think, the air is being forced out through the Carbon fibre, could this not cause air pockets (especially on flash fills) which could cause microfactures and eventualy cracks within the resin if the air cannot escape fast enough.
Finally, they cannot be re-tested and reused after. Why? The obvious answer is that they degrade over time, meaning that if they are having problems now (at this young stage in life) how unrelaiable and dangerous will they be at the end of their lifespan?
Looking at what people have said
Stako say that this is part of how the bottles work, if so why was it never noticed before?
It has happened before, but it never came to light and those people who contacted Stako was (as far as i see) Ignored! Not even confirmed that this is meant to happen.
It obviously isn't just this batch.
I dont see how people can justify loosing a few pounds of weight over the safety of the players. Stakos as far as im aware never passed DOT tested and STILL are illegal in the US, why is this?
Obviously they have higher or different testing proceedures, but if its not legal in the US, why is it in the EU?
I would encourage every1 with a Stako thats having problems (no matter how small) with their tanks to contact stako at the moment. Hell, I would (if someone could be re-embursed and it could be set up) for someone with the problems mentioned recently to get the tank sent off to the offical testing center of PI to have the bottle tested, and depending on the result it could show something seriously wrong with Stako bottles.
Now yes it could be true, that the way in which the plastic adheres to the bottle when filled is how it is ment to be, but just think, the air is being forced out through the Carbon fibre, could this not cause air pockets (especially on flash fills) which could cause microfactures and eventualy cracks within the resin if the air cannot escape fast enough.
Finally, they cannot be re-tested and reused after. Why? The obvious answer is that they degrade over time, meaning that if they are having problems now (at this young stage in life) how unrelaiable and dangerous will they be at the end of their lifespan?
Well, I'm not sure the liability insurance will do you (or your team mates) any good if you've had your lungs, ears and insides squished if one of these things did explode.
From the posts here and in other places, I wonder if Paintball as a sport and the industry is mature enough to face the consequences of a serious accident. If the behaviour of the players in Germany is anything to go by, do we honestly think we should be trusting people with Improvised Explosive Devices?
don’t own one or every want one,
My view is something holding 3000/4500 psi in needs a shell/case which can last.
Something holding that amount of pressure and has such a short life span sounds crazy to me.
My FIBRE WRAPPED bottle needs retested every 5 years but I will only get it tested once, then bin it, even though it has only used ½ it life.
Always better to be safe than sorry
As for the sport Its very immature, it will take an accident for people to take notice.
thanks jon owen....I actually brought a pair of your crossfire bottles from you last year with a couple of ions and full kit....thanks for putting my mind at rest.
ok, ignore my post then
just thinking of a particular reason why stakos might need pressure