The end of the UKPSF ??

[A.B]

Didn't post as a fact, more a wondering that perhaps this is a way of giving an organisation credibility without actually having any. You are correct that each site has to hold itself by it's own merits and it is unfair to tarnish every site within a company with the same brush. I have no doubt that any site you work at will be above and beyond whats required, and that there are many others that aren't part of the DF group that fail miserably.

Was just musings that i thought could be relevent, will edit to reflect that.

A.B

 

[Gups]

Ha ha this is funny... Now i just got an email asking if i am posting as 'UKPBA', roflmao! NO i'm not!
I only post under my own name, most of you know who i am...

I'm in both a priviledged and a difficult position as i sit on neither side of the DF/UKPSF fence. I'm 100% pro-paintball and i support the good that Bully has done for UK ball as well as his awesome scenario games But i i'll add that i also feel disappointed at the response from many UKPSF members who spent a lot of time at the last UKPSF annual meeting discussing how to screw DF, presumably just because we're financially successful?

I know that DF applied to join the UKPSF but were initially refused membership. The reason given (so i was told, but it's all i have to go on...) was that 'there would be uproar' had we been allowed to join. Not because we're unsafe, don't have insurance or any other DF myth that's done the rounds. Now that seems unfair that paintball's governing body should exclude a paintball games company just because the other members are pissed off that we make lots of money and dislike us?

I can only assume, 'it's all about the money', just like nearly every other political arguement/division within UK ball. That's a shame as DF bring in some 6000 plus players every week which is a whole lot of prospective new ballers for the sport and a whole lot more paint and equipment sales for UK companies.

But then, if we were all to make love instead of war, who would want to buy guns?


Gups

 

[Raffles]

Why is it that every time I glance over these boards there's yet another 'war' going on?

If it's not SP vs ROW - or Robbo & Hatts - it's DF vs 'others'.

I have become VERY disillusioned with UK paintball - to the point that I have now decided to sell-up and leave you all to your own sorry mess (cue cheering and clapping).

I have seen far too much of the 'ugly' side recently - and none of the good. Everything from public forum cat fights to actually being personally threated with physical violence.

And you lot wonder why UK paintball is in such a state!

Face facts - stop the stupid in-fighting and start to work together - otherwise uk ball will be as stagnent in 5~10 years as it is now!

Hopefully, you lot can work it out - as I don't care anymore.

Goodbye (and good ridance eh?)

 

[jeff]

Hi Gups

Are you speaking on behalf of the Delta Force organisation or are you just expressing your own opinion?

I would be interested to know what the "Official" line is on all the rumours of no insurance, poorly trained staff etc.

I am finding it difficult to fathom why such a large and apparently successful company wouldn't want to prove to the industry and the players that they are reputable and trading within the regulations that exist.

Jeff

 

[JM #036]

Originally posted by Raffles
Face facts - stop the stupid in-fighting and start to work together - otherwise uk ball will be as stagnent in 5~10 years as it is now!

All good an well saying that but its an industry, companies are out there to make money and lets face it Delta Force put profit much higher on their list of priorities than they do safety of customers! and staff for that matter. The reason I can see, as mentioned above is that Delta Force sites are no where good enough to reach the standards of the UKPSF and so have to create their own “federation board” to not only talk rubbish but so they are associated with a board!

 

[Raffles]

Originally posted by Ca$hMoney
...Delta Force put profit much higher on their list of priorities than they do safety of customers! and staff for that matter...

So, you now all this to be FACT do you? I'd be interested to see the document this is written on.

Originally posted by Ca$hMoney
...Delta Force sites are no where good enough to reach the standards of the UKPSF...

I presume you also have this as gospel from Mr Bull. Again, I would like to see this document.

You get my point yet?

NOTE : I am not connected in any way shape or form to any site/organisation/association/sponsor/manufacturer etc. etc. - so I am being 100% impartial - are you?

 

[Syd (NSPL)]

Raffles,

I am deeply concerned that you have decided to leave the paintball scene because of some "in-fighting" you have recently witnessed or been involved in. Is that really a good reason to give up the game and friends you have enjoyed for so long?

The thing is with paintball is we are a very close community containing a lot of people who feel passionately about our sport, and who feel the need to voice their opinions. That's a good thing buddy. It is great to see so many people taking an active (and sometime life-consuming) interest in this fledgling sport and trying to push things forward. Not everyone is going to agree and with so many passionate people involved, there are bound to be disagreements. What I try to do is see past the petty arguments and try to understand the motives of the people involved. OK, sometimes they are purely about making cash, but that's understandable because a lot of players are involved in the industry. Even so, a lot of time, people's motives appear to be genuinely positive, whether their point of view is correct or not.

You yourself are a passionate individual who has contributed a lot to these boards. In this very thread, are you not fanning the flames of an argument because of how you feel about the subject (or indeed, the argument itself)? Does that make you petty? Of course not. You are just voicing your opinion like the hundreds of other individuals that post on this and other forums every day. To me, having so many active people within our relatively small community is an amazing thing and says something about the popularity of our sport and the way it consumes people's passions.

There's always a flip side to every coin Raffles, and its worth looking at both sides before making the rash decision to hang up your goggles. I for one, would be sorry to see you go!

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Raffles
Why is it that every time I glance over these boards there's yet another 'war' going on?

If it's not SP vs ROW - or Robbo & Hatts - it's DF vs 'others'.

I have become VERY disillusioned with UK paintball - to the point that I have now decided to sell-up and leave you all to your own sorry mess (cue cheering and clapping).

I have seen far too much of the 'ugly' side recently - and none of the good. Everything from public forum cat fights to actually being personally threated with physical violence.

And you lot wonder why UK paintball is in such a state!

Face facts - stop the stupid in-fighting and start to work together - otherwise uk ball will be as stagnent in 5~10 years as it is now!

Hopefully, you lot can work it out - as I don't care anymore.

Goodbye (and good ridance eh?)

Try not to slam the door on your way out Raffles, you might start another 'war' !

As for suggesting these threads are predominated by 'wars' you are talking cr@p, absolute cr@p.
These threads are predominated by benign posts but like life, paintball will hold court to disputes and acrimony, we are not immune and never will be.
If you feel dispute threads are so significant on these boards, then the answer is simple, don't frikkin read them because in percentage terms they take up less than 1% of the boards content, hardly cause for concern and even less cause for departure.
And if you hold true to what you say, and end up leaving, then you are either, so fickle as to beggar belief, so weak minded as to suggest an impending nervous breakdown or just plain dramatising events for your own ends.

These dispute threads are just more noticeable and as such more readable because whether we like it or not, grabbing the popcorn and coke and watching acrimonious slug fests unfold is a real entrainment for a lot of people, it's life, it's paintball, live with it or grow up.

 

[coombzy]

thread de-railed ;<

 

[Syd (NSPL)]

Robbo - you put things so much nicer than me!

Oh, and sorry for contributing to the thread jack.