Stakos Illegal in Millennium Series!
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im glad i didn't bother buying a stakko but i do think that boycotting events should happen every now and then just so the organisers can see that its the customers that count.
to be fair, in my and many peoples esperiences the stakos are ****ing ace.
i hope that its just a batch issues, those that are **** get resolved (much like those 6000 luxfer bottles in the usa and beyond) and they get back sorted.
i can understand the blanket ban, but tbh, any event that has them banned i wont be playing (yet to hear the pa rule on it)...no gear = no play. im not buying another heavier bottle again.
I'm not denying stakkos are brilliant bottles as I have used one many a time and enjoyed it.
Just think its lame that something like this has occured and as you have previously mentioned its the little guy that gets f**ked over.
I'm hoping its just a batch thing and my stako doesn't have the AIDS. 
Mines been holding 1500psi for a month now and its not showing any signs of explosion. May go home and empty it though
Mines been holding 1500psi for a month now and its not showing any signs of explosion. May go home and empty it though
NEW RELEASE FROM STAKO
Bulletin no. 2007-06
To All STAKO Users
STAKO sp.j. tel. +48 59 8424895 stako@stako.pl
Poznanska 54 fax. +48 59 8481999 www.stako.pl
76-200 Slupsk VAT No.: PL8392822875
POLAND KRS 0000186836
This is with regard to press release of The Millennium-Series Ltd. and the ban of
STAKO products from Millennium events
STAKO is shocked and concerned about the situation at Millennium of last
weekend. The situation is most likely for the filling procedure and the physical
phenomenon that is normal during filing of full composite tank.
The design of our super light tanks is different from the ones made with aluminium
liners. Our thermoplastic liners are much lighter, but they are not as stiff as
aluminium. Consequently during filling they work just like a tyre tube. The internal
plastic liner and the carbon fibre wrapping adhere to each other, but when the
bottle is empty and there is no pressure inside the tiny gap between the liner and
the wrapping is formed. When such bottle is filled up, this gap needs to close as
the plastic liner starts to adhere to carbon wrapping again. The small portion of air
from this gap needs to evacuate through the wrapping. Afterwards, when the tank
is filled again, no leakage or pressure drop can be observed.
All tanks questioned are under detailed investigation. We are checking if any
cracks from dropping or mis-use of the tanks could have occurred in any of those
cases. We will be looking in to claims made by H-pac and will take legal action if
necessary for false claims and improper representation of STAKO Cylinder.
Kind regards,
Arek Kubasik
Commercial Director
May 21st, 2007
Bulletin no. 2007-06
To All STAKO Users
STAKO sp.j. tel. +48 59 8424895 stako@stako.pl
Poznanska 54 fax. +48 59 8481999 www.stako.pl
76-200 Slupsk VAT No.: PL8392822875
POLAND KRS 0000186836
This is with regard to press release of The Millennium-Series Ltd. and the ban of
STAKO products from Millennium events
STAKO is shocked and concerned about the situation at Millennium of last
weekend. The situation is most likely for the filling procedure and the physical
phenomenon that is normal during filing of full composite tank.
The design of our super light tanks is different from the ones made with aluminium
liners. Our thermoplastic liners are much lighter, but they are not as stiff as
aluminium. Consequently during filling they work just like a tyre tube. The internal
plastic liner and the carbon fibre wrapping adhere to each other, but when the
bottle is empty and there is no pressure inside the tiny gap between the liner and
the wrapping is formed. When such bottle is filled up, this gap needs to close as
the plastic liner starts to adhere to carbon wrapping again. The small portion of air
from this gap needs to evacuate through the wrapping. Afterwards, when the tank
is filled again, no leakage or pressure drop can be observed.
All tanks questioned are under detailed investigation. We are checking if any
cracks from dropping or mis-use of the tanks could have occurred in any of those
cases. We will be looking in to claims made by H-pac and will take legal action if
necessary for false claims and improper representation of STAKO Cylinder.
Kind regards,
Arek Kubasik
Commercial Director
May 21st, 2007
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ollytheosteo
Guest
OK, bit from Stako was put up whilst I was typing, and it seems they and H-PAC are now going to have fight, but still no lovely light bottles for a bit
I can't see that it helps to boycott events that have banned them until the issue is resolved, though, as surely we'd expect them to put safety first and not risk someone's bottle going pop? I'd be more inclined to boycott a league that didn't ban them at least until we get word from Stako as to the precise nature of the problem. It does suprise me how many people own several guns and only one bottle; I know they're expensive but what do you do if your usual bottle reg craps its pants or a gauge or nipple starts hissing, go home for the day?
I can't see it's fair to expect any series organisers just to say 'don't worry about it and fill anyway' when these problems have occurred and the product's safety is in question. I'm not at all happy about having to buy another tank but better that than exploding head syndrome, and I certainly can't blame H-PAC or the Masters et al for trying to keep us safe until all this gets sorted. I feel my Stako tank is safe, it certainly holds pressure for weeks and shows no signs of problems, but I'm not going to tell anyone to fill it or else as they're the ones who get sued if anything happens. Saying 'you know if your bottle is ****ed or not' is like saying 'you know if you've got cancer or not'- some problems only show up in a test and there's always someone who'll be insisting their unsafe bottle must be filled and it was fine when they checked it this morning. Look at those guys that show up with bottles out of test and then shout at H-PAC because their local site always lets them use it
I can't see that it helps to boycott events that have banned them until the issue is resolved, though, as surely we'd expect them to put safety first and not risk someone's bottle going pop? I'd be more inclined to boycott a league that didn't ban them at least until we get word from Stako as to the precise nature of the problem. It does suprise me how many people own several guns and only one bottle; I know they're expensive but what do you do if your usual bottle reg craps its pants or a gauge or nipple starts hissing, go home for the day?
I can't see it's fair to expect any series organisers just to say 'don't worry about it and fill anyway' when these problems have occurred and the product's safety is in question. I'm not at all happy about having to buy another tank but better that than exploding head syndrome, and I certainly can't blame H-PAC or the Masters et al for trying to keep us safe until all this gets sorted. I feel my Stako tank is safe, it certainly holds pressure for weeks and shows no signs of problems, but I'm not going to tell anyone to fill it or else as they're the ones who get sued if anything happens. Saying 'you know if your bottle is ****ed or not' is like saying 'you know if you've got cancer or not'- some problems only show up in a test and there's always someone who'll be insisting their unsafe bottle must be filled and it was fine when they checked it this morning. Look at those guys that show up with bottles out of test and then shout at H-PAC because their local site always lets them use it
how can you say that? there is still 13 faulty bottles out there, maybe more, untill there has been a full investigation, this problem is still up in the air
it basically says that the "leaking" is not a design flaw, but part of the actual design of the air system... right?