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Mario

Pigeon amongst the cats
Sep 25, 2002
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40
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Location, Location.
They're racialist missy...they dont like europeans so they definitely wont like african americans :rolleyes:

*plants tongue firmly in cheek
 

Missy-Q

300lb of Chocolate Love
Jul 31, 2007
2,524
1,132
198
Harlem, NY
Well I was worried about that, seeing as the NPPL only hires subservient God-fearing Christian White girls from Shawns Church.
 

Rabies

Trogdor!
Jul 1, 2002
1,344
8
63
London, UK
Isn't it time we took a trip down memory lane, and looked at the state of play before the NPPL/PSP split? Back when there was no competition for the Majors. Tournaments were typically held in a cow field... without removing the cows first. The US actually looked up to the Millenniums as an example of a good event. Has everyone forgotten the contrast between the season before the split and the next season? So with that in mind, what incentive would there be in the event of reunification for the new body to make any more effort than they used to in the bad old days? What forces are in effect now that would make the situation today any different to 5 years ago?
 

shamu

Tonight we dine in hell
Apr 17, 2002
835
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0
Now-Cal
maybe we should look at adjusting the size and cost of events. It seems like the bigger we try to get, the more details fall through the cracks and the more annoyed players get.

maybe smaller venues would let the promoters focus on better ways to spend their money (like reffing). Of course, players will have to give up some things, like glamourous locations.

Which is better - a smaller, better run event or a big sloppy mess of an event?
 

Robbo

Owner of this website
Jul 5, 2001
13,116
2,157
448
London
www.p8ntballer.com
Pete, you call it cynicism, I called it realism. :) Sorry but I's gonna lay the bullet points on ya--purely for the sake of clarity since I tend to prattle on once I get started.

1. Agreed. I'm assuming things not proven at this point but since those things are consistent with past performance and align with what we do know ... you get the idea.

2. I'm gonna parse this one like a Jesuit just for a minute as it depends on what we mean by "right". I think some things are being done in fair approximation to right on the details but if by right we mean successful and sustainable then plainly something needs to change 'cus I don't believe things can continue as they have gone before.

3. Emminently reasonable but alas, to date reason has had damned little to do with paintball. :D Nor do I disagree with you but I think there is a more important question to be asked.

4. The one you rhetorically pose isn't bad and one I would likely ask if you hadn't beaten me to it but not the one I have in mind. My question is: What are the principle goals of the unified league in running Pro paintball tournaments? The answer might seem self-evident but I don't think it is. I also think I can make the case that even in the instances where we would agree those in charge love the game and want to see it succeed the actual on field competition wasn't always the first priority and that in and of itself was a contributing factor to some of the past failures. It is all well and good for Chi-town to have the right functionaries in the right positions but what matters are the marching orders they are given. An outsider without the boy's club baggage is certainly in a position to effect some changes but I have no idea at all what he wants from paintball.

5. Necessity may very well push this into happening but then paintball really is at the mercy of one man's vision and while you may be comfortable with that from what you know all I know is what's happened so far, what I've heard about the original longer term plans when NPPL was bought out and what I've seen so far and cynical or not, I am somewhat less than inspired.

6. and beyond the where does he plan to take the game question we are left with a host of "practical" issues like rules, formats, personnel, etc. that would all need to be resolved between Commander's Cup and HB. Even with the best of intentions this isn't going to be easy.

7. I tell cynicism not on the first date, I'm an old-fashioned kinda guy, unless of course cynicism is a curvy redhead ...

Regardless of my opinion I'm sure the Wheels of Progrees will continue to grind. :)
No argument from me with any of that mate, not even a litttle one ....
The only thing I will add is this, I haven't got a comprehensive picture regarding all the details of where Bruce wants to take us but I know one thing ... it's gotta be better than where we are going now..reason enough in my book :)

But I can understand and also sympathise with your reality check ... we'll just have to wait and see...
 

Dannefaerd

Platinum Member
Jul 8, 2001
271
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New Zealand
www.whatever.net.nz
So the general feeling from most in the thread (and we've got a bit off the original topic, but in a good way) is that the tournament scene in the States is facing some rationalisation/consoldiation/merger for the next season.

The question I have is thus:

What makes the imperative to do this any stronger this year when compared to the last two years?

It seems that at this time of year (at least for the past three seasons or so) talk swings around to a merge/rationalisation between PSP/NPPL ... the only difference each year is who is in a stronger position.
 

JPB

New Member
Oct 24, 2006
17
0
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The times they are a changing

We have had some in depth discussions regarding this in KC and not looking at any one day or event. Rather a much bigger picture! I can't and won't say much but I will say the future of this sport and industry is predicated on a major change and shift of power. What we all need here is very simple. We need people with vision and no longer need people who want division. Without the vision this sport and industry is going to have a big collision!!!!!!!!!!! Don't want to date myself here but any of you who may be fans of the Doors or heard some of their music. There is a great line that Jim Morrison says and it applies here and it applies today " As the old get older the young get stronger" we are not talking about age here my friends.
Cheers