Robbo said:Your sexual predilections are your own business mate and I'd rather stay ignorant but on that note, say 'Hi' to 'er indoors for me
Thought you were so funny you posted it twice!
UK Disgrace
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Thought you were so funny you posted it twice!
Thanks for your reply Pete. Being from that gifted part of the UK known as Manchester - I was thinking about the NQ (and , until recently, M-9). Both are virtually permanent fixtures for sup'air (as that is all they are).
I wasn't looking at the state of the nation (sup'air wise) overall.
Thinking about it - you are quite right (again!). Before the NQ and M-9, my nearest sup'air was Wrexham. Although very cheap to play (Gogger only charged us £3 to cover air etc) - it was still vastly under-used!
So, I suppose the ultimate question is "can you make money running a punter-style sup'air site?".
Personally, I don't think you can - there simply isn't enough demand for it (Fireball is a good parallel I think).
I can see where Andy and Sid etc are coming from. Generate the demand - and supply will follow (I wonder if we can make sup'air fields the 'must have' for this Christmas?). I think it beats the "build it - they will come" theology.
I am totally confused with all this now. Do will build sup'air fields first - then advertise them - then 'hope' punters arrive or do we generate the interest first - so when more sup'air fields do get built - there is already a willing customer base?
BTW - it's not just CC/Mills that are having troubles with UK teams at the moment. I've noticed the UKM is having teams drop out all over the place (moreover in KotH!) and the PA was once a 4 division strong league - with talks of a 5th 'feeder' division. Then we get the Euro postponed. I'm not sure what is happening with the South leagues - maybe Syd could enlighten us there.
So, no answers here I'm afraid. I am just willing to help out with any ideas (except dressing up as a chicken) where I can, and hope something good comes out at the other end.
I wasn't looking at the state of the nation (sup'air wise) overall.
Thinking about it - you are quite right (again!). Before the NQ and M-9, my nearest sup'air was Wrexham. Although very cheap to play (Gogger only charged us £3 to cover air etc) - it was still vastly under-used!
So, I suppose the ultimate question is "can you make money running a punter-style sup'air site?".
Personally, I don't think you can - there simply isn't enough demand for it (Fireball is a good parallel I think).
I can see where Andy and Sid etc are coming from. Generate the demand - and supply will follow (I wonder if we can make sup'air fields the 'must have' for this Christmas
?). I think it beats the "build it - they will come" theology.I am totally confused with all this now. Do will build sup'air fields first - then advertise them - then 'hope' punters arrive or do we generate the interest first - so when more sup'air fields do get built - there is already a willing customer base?
BTW - it's not just CC/Mills that are having troubles with UK teams at the moment. I've noticed the UKM is having teams drop out all over the place (moreover in KotH!) and the PA was once a 4 division strong league - with talks of a 5th 'feeder' division. Then we get the Euro postponed. I'm not sure what is happening with the South leagues - maybe Syd could enlighten us there.
So, no answers here I'm afraid. I am just willing to help out with any ideas (except dressing up as a chicken) where I can, and hope something good comes out at the other end.
I don't think you need Sup'Air only fields. I think the larger sites (customer and size) should have a Sup'Air field besides their regular fields.
Agreed. But I was thinking of new sites - as opposed to existing. Next time I'll wirte it properly
Raff, I refer once again back to an earlier post, it requires a short to mid term investment for a mid to long term return.
Most serious financial investments aren't short-term propositions and so why on earth our site owners should require a 'wham, bam, thank you man' return is beyond me.
In fact, it does highlight the lack of responsible investment management these guys exhibit when so few adopt a mid to long term approach.
Russel Steele does, Sid the Jock does and I'm sure a few more besides but these guys are like rocking horse cr@p but it's no co-incidence (and I'm sure Russ won't mind me mentioning this) that Russ is one rich mofo with his site doing quite well thankyou..and good luck to the man is what I say.
It has to be a hybrid approach of marketing and site investment; in the primary stages of this plan, all that is required is a Sup' Air field (doesn't even have to be new) and a resolution to market Paintball locally on two tiers.
Firstly his business is obviously targeted in that he goes after the 'average' baller, this is the guy who comes along with his mates every six months or so and just likes playing woodland ball, this is his core business at the moment and we don't want this financial base compromised.
The second tier is marketing the tourney side of Paintball best exemplified by playing Paintball on a Sup' Air field.
Now this targeting isn't done solely with respect to his rental base, it has also to be done direct to the public, just as his woodland business is.
The sort of approach similar to Delta Force in a local mall should do it, presentation booth, DVDs running, leaflets (you can get these from Mr Dane ), PGi's etc, all should give sufficient flavour to the right demographic.
His site has to have PGi racked out on a few shelves with a tourney DVD running in the background,a nd once again the ubiquitous info sheet.
It doesn't take much to provoke interest, it really doesn't.
Now I ain't no marketing guy, but this ain't exactly rocket science here.
The switched on site owners (if in fact there are any outside of the guys I have mentioned) will also go to the industry with a proposed marketing plan and seek some help or rather a promotional partnership whereby both can benefit.
These things aren't hard to work out and are really common sense but you'd be hard pressed to find a site owner to go down this road when all he's worried about is how many greenbacks he's got folded in his back pocket.
So, there you have it......not difficult, can't be, I worked it out therefore anybody can do it, all it needs is people with the resolve to see it thru and let's face it, it's not really a new model of business, this works, it has precedence.
I love this sport of ours and I honestly, passionately believe with every fibre in my body that tourney ball is a significantly better product to sell to the masses than Rambo ball and if any site owners doubt this, then they really shouldn't be embarking upon this enterprise.
Most serious financial investments aren't short-term propositions and so why on earth our site owners should require a 'wham, bam, thank you man' return is beyond me.
In fact, it does highlight the lack of responsible investment management these guys exhibit when so few adopt a mid to long term approach.
Russel Steele does, Sid the Jock does and I'm sure a few more besides but these guys are like rocking horse cr@p but it's no co-incidence (and I'm sure Russ won't mind me mentioning this) that Russ is one rich mofo with his site doing quite well thankyou..and good luck to the man is what I say.
It has to be a hybrid approach of marketing and site investment; in the primary stages of this plan, all that is required is a Sup' Air field (doesn't even have to be new) and a resolution to market Paintball locally on two tiers.
Firstly his business is obviously targeted in that he goes after the 'average' baller, this is the guy who comes along with his mates every six months or so and just likes playing woodland ball, this is his core business at the moment and we don't want this financial base compromised.
The second tier is marketing the tourney side of Paintball best exemplified by playing Paintball on a Sup' Air field.
Now this targeting isn't done solely with respect to his rental base, it has also to be done direct to the public, just as his woodland business is.
The sort of approach similar to Delta Force in a local mall should do it, presentation booth, DVDs running, leaflets (you can get these from Mr Dane
), PGi's etc, all should give sufficient flavour to the right demographic.His site has to have PGi racked out on a few shelves with a tourney DVD running in the background,a nd once again the ubiquitous info sheet.
It doesn't take much to provoke interest, it really doesn't.
Now I ain't no marketing guy, but this ain't exactly rocket science here.
The switched on site owners (if in fact there are any outside of the guys I have mentioned) will also go to the industry with a proposed marketing plan and seek some help or rather a promotional partnership whereby both can benefit.
These things aren't hard to work out and are really common sense but you'd be hard pressed to find a site owner to go down this road when all he's worried about is how many greenbacks he's got folded in his back pocket.
So, there you have it......not difficult, can't be, I worked it out therefore anybody can do it, all it needs is people with the resolve to see it thru and let's face it, it's not really a new model of business, this works, it has precedence.
I love this sport of ours and I honestly, passionately believe with every fibre in my body that tourney ball is a significantly better product to sell to the masses than Rambo ball and if any site owners doubt this, then they really shouldn't be embarking upon this enterprise.
I think the clue was in her beard, her pair of bollocks and her name being Fred........Fag !Sid_Clan said:Oh yeah, and I don't make mistakes, well apart from that one time, but how was I to know she was a man
Sid
Jus kiddin' ....I said that just in case you misread me again.
Revolt said:look at the back cover of pgi
And then go look at every other ad in there, so your point was what exactly revolt coz I'm struggling to see it mate ?
chill, im just saying, when people look at the mag then ask me what im reading, i hold it up and they see some army guy ;p
it then takes me another 10 mins to covince them of the true gold inside,
people should see the back of the mag and he like "jesus that looks cool as fudge"
fudge is cool robbo. it is.
it then takes me another 10 mins to covince them of the true gold inside,
people should see the back of the mag and he like "jesus that looks cool as fudge"
fudge is cool robbo. it is.